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    Quote Originally Posted by remiscs View Post
    I would add that for Revit, the 8086k would be a better buy than the 9900k.

    The 9700k is only 100mhz maximum boost slower than the 9900k; so that said UNLESS you just need the highest specs; I have a hard time justifying the 9900k unless you need cores.

    I had the chance to overclock both the 8086k and 9700k to 5ghz; just using a standard Cinebench benchmark they were literally identical in results. I have only done a few 9700k builds so far but I honestly wish Intel just released the 8086k with a soldered on IHS as the new 9700k.

    AMD with the 2700x is a great value option; but the issue is single core performance with AMD. The refresh (which is the 2700x) did help that a lot but I just can not recommend AMD for Revit. Not to mention Intel has a much more forgiving memory controller (RAM controller). I see AMD being more of a consideration in the Threadripper high core count area.
    Thank you for your advice, I was thinking the same i.e. I couldn't justify the additional cost of the 9900k for the small increase in performance (ignoring the no. of cores). I'd looked at the 8700k rather than the 8086k, is it better to focus on the 8086k?

    The current spec I have is:

    Intel Core i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700k (3.7GHz) 12MB Cache
    512GB SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe - should I go for two or opt for an SSD/HDD for additional storage?
    32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB) - is it better to run dual or quad, does it depend on the mboard?
    4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1050 Ti - Am I better upping the spec on this?

    Corsair H100x Hydro Cooler w/ PCS Liquid Series Ultra Quiet Fans - Do i need it, along with case fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson1983 View Post
    Thank you for your advice, I was thinking the same i.e. I couldn't justify the additional cost of the 9900k for the small increase in performance (ignoring the no. of cores). I'd looked at the 8700k rather than the 8086k, is it better to focus on the 8086k?

    The current spec I have is:

    Intel Core i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700k (3.7GHz) 12MB Cache
    512GB SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe - should I go for two or opt for an SSD/HDD for additional storage?
    32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB) - is it better to run dual or quad, does it depend on the mboard?
    4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1050 Ti - Am I better upping the spec on this?

    Corsair H100x Hydro Cooler w/ PCS Liquid Series Ultra Quiet Fans - Do i need it, along with case fans?
    The 8700k is great as well; the 8086k is a hair better over the 8700k but where the 8086k shines is if you decide to manually overclock it. It overclocks much better. All of these CPU need a delid to get the max OC out of them but do well with mild overclocks without a delid.

    The specs dont look bad. Technically for a revit box the 1050ti is not bad but I would recommend going for the 1060 3GB as the minimum if you can should you do anything with Enscape, Lumion, etc.

    If you only plan on having one drive, and dont want to worry about storage space running low in a year or two a standard SSD like the Crucial MX500 1TB would probably be something to consider. It really depends on how you handle your data.

    RAM is fine, two 16GB modules is how I configure 32GB systems so that they have space for another 32GB in the future should it be needed. I go for 3200Mhz because it is the best performance for dollar as well as ease to use with current CPU. Many CPU can handle 3400-3600mhz easy enough but for a plug and play experience 3200mhz is fast and easy to work with. Be sure to load the XMP profile in BIOS.

    Corsair AIO coolers do well. If you do not plan to overclock and you have a case with good airflow, Air cooling does well. I often use the Noctua u9s for non-overclocked builds.

    Case fans and such; depends on the case you plan on using.

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    Intel 9900k / 32GB @ 4000MHZ DDR4 / GTX 1080 Ti

    RVT 2019 - Full_Standard set - 2018.11.14 @ 19.38.33 on DESKTOP-DFCPAFT.txt
    RFO Benchmark v3.2 (build 01.05.2018)
    RevitForum.org


    All times are in seconds, lower is better.




    Run on Revit 2019.1


    __________________________________________________ _______________
    Update
    6.65 update previous version file


    __________________________________________________ _______________
    Model creation benchmark
    3.05 opening and loading the custom template
    9.28 creating the floors levels and grids
    15.16 creating a group of walls and doors
    27.05 modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
    9.51 creating the exterior curtain wall
    7.96 creating the sections
    3.10 changing the curtain wall panel type
    11.09 creating area plans
    1.55 creating and applying view template
    87.75 TOTAL


    __________________________________________________ _______________
    Export benchmark
    48.82 export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
    38.55 export all views as DWFs
    70.21 export all views as DWGs
    47.16 print all views as vector *
    77.46 print all views as raster *


    Notes:
    * Print Views tests require the 'Microsoft XPS Document Writer' printer be installed.


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    Render benchmark
    39.31 render


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    Graphics - Standard View
    3.62 activate View Styles view
    0.34 change view to Wireframe
    0.58 change view to Hidden
    0.81 change view to Shaded
    0.81 change view to Consistent Colors
    1.35 change view to Realistic
    0.62 refresh Wireframe Line view x10
    2.96 refresh Hidden Line view x10
    3.15 refresh Shaded view x10
    2.99 refresh Consistent Colors view x10
    3.27 refresh Realistic view x10
    0.39 activate View Cube view
    3.05 rotate view x1
    23.94 TOTAL


    Notes:
    Graphics benchmark measures the entire graphics stack, which includes CPU and memory.
    To meaningfully compare graphics cards, test all cards in the same machine
    and use the 'Graphics - expanded' benchmark.








    TEST CONDITIONS:
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    Mfr: System manufacturer
    Model: System Product Name
    OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home64-bit


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    CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Max Clock Speed: 4.9Ghz
    Number of Processors: 8
    Number of Logical Processors: 16
    Total Physical Memory: 32GB @ 4000 4000Mhz


    __________________________________________________ _____
    Drive Type: local Disk (NTFS)
    Drive Model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO 250GB


    __________________________________________________ _____
    Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
    Graphics RAM: 3.9990234375GB
    Driver version: 25.21.14.1681


    __________________________________________________ _____
    Screen Resolution: 3840x2160x32bit @ 59Hz
    DPI Scaling: 150%








    RAW DATA:
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    7.336 6.602 6.023 update previous version file


    3.086 3.031 3.039 opening and loading the custom template
    9.328 9.203 9.305 creating the floors levels and grids
    15.266 15.102 15.117 creating a group of walls and doors
    26.961 27.125 27.062 modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
    9.484 9.516 9.516 creating the exterior curtain wall
    7.992 7.922 7.961 creating the sections
    3.125 3.039 3.125 changing the curtain wall panel type
    11.148 11.164 10.953 creating area plans
    1.547 1.562 1.547 creating and applying view template


    48.883 48.648 48.914 export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
    38.742 38.594 38.320 export all views as DWFs
    70.117 70.148 70.359 export all views as DWGs
    47.047 47.172 47.266 print all views as vector
    77.492 77.352 77.523 print all views as raster


    42.812 37.539 37.578 render


    3.719 3.562 3.578 activate View Styles view
    0.336 0.344 0.336 change view to Wireframe
    0.594 0.570 0.570 change view to Hidden
    0.797 0.820 0.812 change view to Shaded
    0.812 0.812 0.797 change view to Consistent Colors
    1.367 1.336 1.352 change view to Realistic
    0.617 0.625 0.625 refresh Wireframe Line view x10
    2.969 2.945 2.969 refresh Hidden Line view x10
    3.141 3.133 3.172 refresh Shaded view x10
    2.984 2.977 3.016 refresh Consistent Colors view x10
    3.273 3.258 3.281 refresh Realistic view x10
    0.391 0.391 0.391 activate View Cube view
    3.078 3.094 2.977 rotate view x1

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    Hi Mike,

    I assume that was stock or was there an overclock on that? Be sure to post those results in the 2019 RFO thread as well.

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    Thanks for everyone's advice, hopefully I'm heading in the right direction. Current custom build that isn't that extortionate, I'd appreciate any comments/suggested tweaks (9900k wasn't a big leap in price but that aside, still feel it might be overkill)

    Power Supply
    1 x Corsair CX650 650W
    Processor
    1 x Intel Core i9 9900k 3.6Ghz Turbo 4.9Ghz
    Processor Cooler
    1 x Coolermaster Hyper 103
    RAM
    1 x 32GB Corsair Vengeance PRO RGB 3600Mhz (2 x 16GB)
    Motherboard
    1 x Asus PRIME Z370-P II
    Graphics Card
    1 x Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
    Hard Drive
    1 x 500GB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 SSD
    2nd Hard Drive
    1 x 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM

    For the monitors, which resolution does everyone find best? Not sure if I'm going ott looking at 4k and there's quite a jump in price
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    I wouldn't want a 7200 rpm drive, at all. I would want all SSD. Either a 1 TB NVME m.2, of the 512 nvme m.2 and then another 1 or 2 TB SSD... But I've been leaning more towards one large drive lately. If that makes it too pricey, I'd ditch the i9 for a different processor.

    Heck, I'd probably want a 1080 more than I'd want the i9, for enscaping and navisworks. But it depends what you work on, I guess. Having said that, if what you work on is only requiring the 1060/6, I'm not sure why the i9 is so critical.

    I have a machine here with the 1060/6, and it's great. Itd an 8700k, 1060/6. But for hardcore heavy lifting, I go to my 8086/1080ti machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    I wouldn't want a 7200 rpm drive, at all. I would want all SSD. Either a 1 TB NVME m.2, of the 512 nvme m.2 and then another 1 or 2 TB SSD... But I've been leaning more towards one large drive lately. If that makes it too pricey, I'd ditch the i9 for a different processor.

    Heck, I'd probably want a 1080 more than I'd want the i9, for enscaping and navisworks. But it depends what you work on, I guess. Having said that, if what you work on is only requiring the 1060/6, I'm not sure why the i9 is so critical.

    I have a machine here with the 1060/6, and it's great. Itd an 8700k, 1060/6. But for hardcore heavy lifting, I go to my 8086/1080ti machine.

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    Great thanks. 1Tb m.2 and a better graphics card, I'll reign in the processor but only a notch or two

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    1 x Intel Core i7 9700k 3.6Ghz Turbo 4.9Ghz
    1 x 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000Mhz (2 x 16GB)
    1 x Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB
    1 x 500GB Samsung 970 Evo M.2

    Better?
    Faster RAM is quite a jump, same going for 1Tb m.2, I can always add/upgrade at a later date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson1983 View Post
    1 x Intel Core i7 9700k 3.6Ghz Turbo 4.9Ghz
    1 x 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000Mhz (2 x 16GB)
    1 x Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB
    1 x 500GB Samsung 970 Evo M.2

    Better?
    Faster RAM is quite a jump, same going for 1Tb m.2, I can always add/upgrade at a later date.
    looks good

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    Quote Originally Posted by remiscs View Post
    looks good
    Thanks, that build or something not too dissimilar is what I'll go for I think.

    Really appreciate everyone's input, certainly still plenty to learn but I feel in a better position to part with a wedge of money for my pc.
    Last edited by thompson1983; November 20th, 2018 at 05:58 PM.

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