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    Cannot place a track light in ceiling plan, floor plan, 3D view, section...

    Please help, just downloaded some families, see attached.
    I get no options to choose (to place on face e.g.)
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    Perhaps it's unhosted... or, more likely, ceiling hosted. Edit the family. If you see a host you can tell what it's looking for. If there's not host then it's unhosted.

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    Are you trying to place it on a linked model? You can only place face or workplane based families on a linked file. Ceiling families, like your track light, have to have a ceiling to attach to in your model.

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    Thank you for answers!
    I am not trying to place it on a linked model.
    other fixtures when I place them, I have option to choose face or workplane, this one is not giving me the option.
    Yes this family (track light fixture) has a ceiling at 9'-0". The ceiling plan / current workplan is 9'-0" see attached.
    Editing the family is not showing host option.
    I am attaching a new track light downloaded from Revit City.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by User_2011 View Post
    Editing the family is not showing host option.
    I am attaching a new track light downloaded from Revit City.Click image for larger version. 

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    Edit the family...big square element around the track bar. If you select that it says Basic Ceiling in the properties window. Also you can click on the yellow folder icon in the top left of the family editor and at the bottom of the Family Parameters box it will show what the Host is.

    As for Revit City...be careful, lots of junk families get put on there. Use at your own risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    Edit the family...big square element around the track bar. If you select that it says Basic Ceiling in the properties window. Also you can click on the yellow folder icon in the top left of the family editor and at the bottom of the Family Parameters box it will show what the Host is.

    As for Revit City...be careful, lots of junk families get put on there. Use at your own risk.

    OK what do I need to 'edit' to this track light to be able to plase it?
    I opened editor, I clicked on the yellow folder icon, I see the host is ceiling and grey...

    Thank you!

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    You need to have a Ceiling element in your room that hosts the light

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveP View Post
    You need to have a Ceiling element in your room that hosts the light

    I have a ceiling element, I placed many other light, but I cannot place this one.
    Can you test it, please. I am attaching again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveP View Post
    You need to have a Ceiling element in your room that hosts the light
    Quote Originally Posted by User_2011 View Post
    I have a ceiling element, I placed many other light, but I cannot place this one.
    Can you test it, please. I am attaching again.
    ALthough I'm not a fan of ceiling hosted families, Dave is right and works for me.


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    Ok, I think the problem is in "how" to "see" the ceiling to place this turkey (and, it's a Grade A bird, too).
    OP needs to be sure the Ceiling view plan is set lower than the ceiling. And that the ceiling in question is in the View Range, too.

    Until you get used to it, Revit feels all squirrely about Reflected Ceiling Plans. The (imperial) default (cut plane) is 7'-6" above whatever base level is being used.

    Create a Ceiling element, and set it at 7'-0"--and, it vanishes. Why? Because it's below the view plane. Since you can't see it, you can't attach things to it as a Host, even though it exists. This can work in reverse, too. (Few things as much fun as placing, blindly, things in Section view o_O .) Yeah, so you wind up needing to twiddle with the View Depth for that ceiling view. Which can later mean needing to add masking regions (sigh). Oh, and you will never remember to clone the view, with its setting to apply to other levels, too.

    So, perhaps the reluctance to use Ceiling-hosted elements is at least partially revealed.

    Oh, and that track light has been lurking around RC for at least five years, if not a decade, and has not gotten much better. Displays in All views unless masked specifically, which is under-endearing. Does not pretend to be parametric in any way, either. (Which is tricky for track lighting; an ideal parametric model would allow adjustable lengths, flexible electrical connection, aimable fixtures--pan and tilt--with assignable lamping, and with assignable materials, an extremely complex Revit Family.*)

    But, there is the possibility that I am both bitter and jaded and not having a great Friday, too.
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    *Best I have cobbled up is to have the Track as the Electrical element, which is then the Host for the individual Fixtures, which, sort of, models how the suff is used i nthe "real" world. Seems to handle things like custom track riser heights better, at least. YMMV.

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