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    Plan Regions vs. Stairs

    I have conducted an exhaustive experiment on a stair/ plan region graphic issue. The stair and plan region are at an angle, however it appears the plan region is creating a phantom orthogonal region in which to decide if the stair should be cut or not even though the stair is fully within the plan region boundary.

    Please see the series of screen shots. On the left are the scenarios where it works. On the right are the scenarios where it does not work. Either way, the plan region does not seem to be interfacing with the model geometry appropriately. Have any of you seen anything like this or have a solution. We have to have this plan region close the the stair and parallel in order to get our plans to read correctly.

    Thanks for any advice

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    You forgot to add the screenshots

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    Without seeing any screenshots, I can say that if the vertical boundary of a plan region cuts through any geometry of element you're gonna start seeing stupid stuff.. like all of it or none of it. Needs to be all in or all out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infeeeee View Post
    You forgot to add the screenshots
    Whoops, sorry. Thought I had. The big issue is that in all scenarios, the stair and all its associated parts are fully within the boundary. Even if the boundary line is running parallel 2'-0" outside of the stair, it still will not cut as expected. I think it is due to the angle in which it is drawn, which I have not seen before. I played around with a "phantom orthogonal boundaries" theory I had and it seems to have something to do with that, but I don't know why it would, nor do I have a good solution for the project team.
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    I'm guessing a bit without seeing the screenshots, but on split level projects with complicated stairs and landings, I've resorted to various methodologies:
    • Each level is it's own view, combined on the sheets. Lots of advantages to this, a few disadvantages.
    • Turn off the stair in the main view, create a view with only stair showing. Combine views on the sheet.

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    I must be doing something wrong in my replies and posts.

    I've tried uploading a couple times now and reposting. Perhaps there is a lag due to my newb status.

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    I'm using Revit 2019.2.1 & I'm not getting the same effect. Only when the boundaries crosses/encloses the stair completely.
    I have the stair at an angle too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cftrevizo View Post
    I'm using Revit 2019.2.1 & I'm not getting the same effect. Only when the boundaries crosses/encloses the stair completely.
    I have the stair at an angle too.
    I am running Revit 2020 build 20.2.0.48. It makes me think this is software bug as I cannot find a single reason why this would be happening. Attached is a stripped down file where you can see the issue. I've added a number of orientations relative to the plan region. I've even redrawn the plan region edge in reverse. The orthogonal stairs behave as expected. You can see how close to the edge the stair can get. It is the angled ones that are behaving unexpectedly.

    Please disregard the levels and negative offsets of the plan region. This was taken out of the project file to quickly attach here and only set up to demonstrate the issue.
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