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    Material Keynote Tag vs Material Tag

    What is the difference between these two?

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    One pulls the Keynote parameter from the material and can access the Keynote text file. Maybe it references the paint spec.

    The other pulls the Material Mark which might callout the color of the paint.

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    Thanks Greg

    On recent project some colleagues (who I can locate right now) found a) the leader on the keynote tag so clunky and b) dispensed with the external text file, by somehow using Project Parameters and a tag family they created themselves. This way they could use Revit's standard text leader line/arrow which works better than the keynote one (which jumps around constantly), plus all the element info is kept with the Revit file in the Project Parameters.

    Just not sure how/with what they did this however.

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    Yeah. My mistake. A Material Tag can read Shared Parameters from a material as well as the Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boundary View Post
    Thanks Greg

    On recent project some colleagues (who I can locate right now) found a) the leader on the keynote tag so clunky and b) dispensed with the external text file, by somehow using Project Parameters and a tag family they created themselves. This way they could use Revit's standard text leader line/arrow which works better than the keynote one (which jumps around constantly), plus all the element info is kept with the Revit file in the Project Parameters.

    Just not sure how/with what they did this however.
    The part about this that doesnt make any sense, though, is that both Tags and Keynote Tags use the same leader setup. The leaders that are "better" are the straight Text Tool, which have NO intelligent connection to Tagged Project parameters OR Keynotes.

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    You can have multiple leaders from a GA... maybe that's what they're doing. Marginally better than text...

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    Sure, but thats not a Tag. Its not reading anything intelligent from the "Object" itself. So, it might be one of those cases where the user "thinks its intelligent" because they recreated all of the "intelligent notes" in Generic Annotations, but (for the sake of readers perusing the thread) its important to note that those notes are divorced from the Modeled Materials alltogether, assuming its a GA and thats what were talking about.

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    My guess is they just don't know they can use Free end vs attached?

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    I caught up with them: they used multi-category tags. Had a play with these referencing ootb parameters, and it seems to work fine (using free not attached leaders). Except, when using Parts the choice of parameter in the tag drops to just "Mark" and "Comments". Is there a way of introducing a shared parameter into a Part identity, that the mc tag can reference?

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    MC tags are great if youre not going to use Keynotes but they cant tag everything (or couldnt last I checked).

    Material tags and Keynote tags are, I think, the only universal tag... and, if not for the overuse of User Keynotes, the only ones that always identify the thing youre point at. As soon as you choose free leader in other tags you cant necessarily trust that the tag is identifying the thing its point to.

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