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    Quote Originally Posted by bll.eliav View Post
    Well...my goal is not to get nice numbers.. but good performance in day to day work. If I wanted nice numbers, I would have ran just the graphics and rendering tests. Most of my time I'm doing plain architecture. The only reason I got into benchmarking&hardware is because of this terrible performance drop (and I learne some new things on the way)


    Didn't see any difference between Revit version. a problematic station will get the performance drop on all versions. And a good one would get good results in all versions.


    The IT guy at my office builds the stations and didn't consult me. Anyway, this station is mostly for AutoCAD. I installed Revit only for the benchmarking.
    My goal is to have enough information to guide our IT person so when he assembles new stations they would be safe from this problem.
    Not really sure if any system is ''safe'' from this problem. I don't think it is bound to certain hardware, but more on the software side, like drivers and your windows install. Windows can be an odd one, and even microsoft points you towards a reset with a lot of problems.

    The only PC i had no problems at all is my i5 6500 system, which has an SSD from a broken HP laptop from work.
    My other 2 systems both have Samsung 970 evo's, also their windows install happened quite close together, so it might just be a combination of those 2.

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    I dont remember what the issue was, when i experienced it here. It had to do with a particular machine, and a Samsung M.2 SSD. But the issue was (i think) needing a driver from the computer manufacturer, and NOT the Samsung one, or something like that. And there was some strange issue (for my situation) where foxing the driver after the fact didnt fix it, and windows had to be reinstalled after the fact.

    All that said, this *issue* hasnt affected any of our machines (we have been lucky, i guess). Now, we havent upgraded to Windows 10 2004, mind you. But we are all on 1909 without any drama.

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    Yes this might be it.

    I did not install my samsung SSD drivers untill very late, when everything was already installed.
    Might be key to install the SSD driver before anything else, that might fix this problem. So for existing systems a reinstall might be the only option.

    Funny that this is affecting samsung SSD so much.

    Not sure when i can do a reinstall on my main machine to actually test this further, but on my Ryzen system this proved to work.

    This problem only seems to affect Revit though, since any other programs work fine, and CPU benchmark put out the expected results.

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    I've benchmark a station before and after a full format and it seemed to work(I'd prefer to try a clean install instead of a full format, but our IT has is ways)
    I don't understand how installing a driver before a new windows install effect anything - as windows reinstalls all drivers (doesn't it?). But it works… so I'm happy. Lets just see if it’s a consistent solution.
    BTW, it's not only Samsung. I've also had the problem on a Kingstone, and Toshiba SSDs.

    After SSD driver install and befor full format:
    Code:
    RVT 2019 - Full_Standard set - 2020.10.07 @ 14.21.57 on HAMUTAL.txt
        RFO Benchmark v3.3 (build 30.07.2020)
        RevitForum.org
    
    
    All times are in seconds, lower is better.
    
    
    
    
    Run on Revit 2019.2.2
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Update
       15.21   update previous version file
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Model creation benchmark
        9.52   opening and loading the custom template
       12.51   creating the floors levels and grids
       47.26   creating a group of walls and doors
       93.85   modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
       18.80   creating the exterior curtain wall
       10.58   creating the sections
        9.51   changing the curtain wall panel type
       24.95   creating area plans
        2.05   creating and applying view template
      229.03   TOTAL
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Export benchmark
       54.26   export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
       82.59   export all views as DWFs
      238.85   export all views as DWGs
       61.40   print all views as vector *
       72.26   print all views as raster *
    
    
    Notes:
     *  Print Views tests require the 'Microsoft XPS Document Writer' printer be installed.
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Render benchmark
       50.78   render
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Graphics - Standard View
        5.48   activate View Styles view
        0.38   change view to Wireframe
        0.60   change view to Hidden
        0.83   change view to Shaded
        0.81   change view to Consistent Colors
        1.38   change view to Realistic
        0.64   refresh Wireframe Line view x10
        2.70   refresh Hidden Line view x10
        2.88   refresh Shaded view x10
        2.73   refresh Consistent Colors view x10
        3.02   refresh Realistic view x10
        0.37   activate View Cube view
        2.51   rotate view x1
       24.33   TOTAL
    
    
    Notes:
        Graphics benchmark measures the entire graphics stack, which includes CPU and memory.
        To meaningfully compare graphics cards, test all cards in the same machine
        and use the 'Graphics - expanded' benchmark.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    TEST CONDITIONS:
    _______________________________________________________
    Mfr:   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    Model: Z390 UD
    OS:    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 2004)
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700KF CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Max Clock Speed: 3.6Ghz
    Physical Processors: 8
    Logical Processors: 8
    
    
    Total Physical Memory: 32GB
    BANK 0: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    BANK 2: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Graphics Card: Microsoft Remote Display Adapter
    Graphics RAM: 0GB
    Driver version: 10.0.19041.423
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 32Hz)
    
    
    Graphics Card: NVIDIA Quadro P2000
    Graphics RAM: 3.9990234375GB
    Driver version: 26.21.14.3086
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 75Hz)
    
    
    DPI Scaling: 100%
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Drive Type: Local Disk (NTFS)
    Drive Model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
    after full format and clean windows install:
    Code:
    RVT 2019 - Full_Standard set - 2020.10.15 @ 00.11.13 on DESKTOP-3KAQQGO.txt
        RFO Benchmark v3.3 (build 30.07.2020)
        RevitForum.org
    
    
    All times are in seconds, lower is better.
    
    
    
    
    Run on Revit 2019.2.2
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Update
        7.30   update previous version file
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Model creation benchmark
        4.01   opening and loading the custom template
        9.75   creating the floors levels and grids
       15.30   creating a group of walls and doors
       28.10   modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
        9.38   creating the exterior curtain wall
        8.38   creating the sections
        3.03   changing the curtain wall panel type
       13.33   creating area plans
        1.77   creating and applying view template
       93.05   TOTAL
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Export benchmark
       54.31   export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
       49.31   export all views as DWFs
       82.92   export all views as DWGs
       52.41   print all views as vector *
       72.58   print all views as raster *
    
    
    Notes:
     *  Print Views tests require the 'Microsoft XPS Document Writer' printer be installed.
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Render benchmark
       50.03   render
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Graphics - Standard View
        4.43   activate View Styles view
        0.34   change view to Wireframe
        0.56   change view to Hidden
        0.79   change view to Shaded
        0.78   change view to Consistent Colors
        1.38   change view to Realistic
        0.61   refresh Wireframe Line view x10
        2.68   refresh Hidden Line view x10
        2.88   refresh Shaded view x10
        2.71   refresh Consistent Colors view x10
        3.02   refresh Realistic view x10
        0.37   activate View Cube view
        2.51   rotate view x1
       23.06   TOTAL
    
    
    Notes:
        Graphics benchmark measures the entire graphics stack, which includes CPU and memory.
        To meaningfully compare graphics cards, test all cards in the same machine
        and use the 'Graphics - expanded' benchmark.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    TEST CONDITIONS:
    _______________________________________________________
    Mfr:   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    Model: Z390 UD
    OS:    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 2004)
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700KF CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Max Clock Speed: 3.6Ghz
    Physical Processors: 8
    Logical Processors: 8
    
    
    Total Physical Memory: 32GB
    BANK 0: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    BANK 2: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Graphics Card: Microsoft Remote Display Adapter
    Graphics RAM: 0GB
    Driver version: 10.0.19041.546
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 32Hz)
    
    
    Graphics Card: NVIDIA Quadro P2000
    Graphics RAM: 3.9990234375GB
    Driver version: 27.21.14.5239
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 75Hz)
    
    
    DPI Scaling: 100%
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Drive Type: Local Disk (NTFS)
    Drive Model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by bll.eliav View Post
    I've benchmark a station before and after a full format and it seemed to work(I'd prefer to try a clean install instead of a full format, but our IT has is ways)
    I don't understand how installing a driver before a new windows install effect anything - as windows reinstalls all drivers (doesn't it?). But it works… so I'm happy. Lets just see if it’s a consistent solution.
    BTW, it's not only Samsung. I've also had the problem on a Kingstone, and Toshiba SSDs.

    After SSD driver install and befor full format:
    Code:
    RVT 2019 - Full_Standard set - 2020.10.07 @ 14.21.57 on HAMUTAL.txt
        RFO Benchmark v3.3 (build 30.07.2020)
        RevitForum.org
    
    
    All times are in seconds, lower is better.
    
    
    
    
    Run on Revit 2019.2.2
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Update
       15.21   update previous version file
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Model creation benchmark
        9.52   opening and loading the custom template
       12.51   creating the floors levels and grids
       47.26   creating a group of walls and doors
       93.85   modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
       18.80   creating the exterior curtain wall
       10.58   creating the sections
        9.51   changing the curtain wall panel type
       24.95   creating area plans
        2.05   creating and applying view template
      229.03   TOTAL
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Export benchmark
       54.26   export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
       82.59   export all views as DWFs
      238.85   export all views as DWGs
       61.40   print all views as vector *
       72.26   print all views as raster *
    
    
    Notes:
     *  Print Views tests require the 'Microsoft XPS Document Writer' printer be installed.
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Render benchmark
       50.78   render
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Graphics - Standard View
        5.48   activate View Styles view
        0.38   change view to Wireframe
        0.60   change view to Hidden
        0.83   change view to Shaded
        0.81   change view to Consistent Colors
        1.38   change view to Realistic
        0.64   refresh Wireframe Line view x10
        2.70   refresh Hidden Line view x10
        2.88   refresh Shaded view x10
        2.73   refresh Consistent Colors view x10
        3.02   refresh Realistic view x10
        0.37   activate View Cube view
        2.51   rotate view x1
       24.33   TOTAL
    
    
    Notes:
        Graphics benchmark measures the entire graphics stack, which includes CPU and memory.
        To meaningfully compare graphics cards, test all cards in the same machine
        and use the 'Graphics - expanded' benchmark.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    TEST CONDITIONS:
    _______________________________________________________
    Mfr:   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    Model: Z390 UD
    OS:    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 2004)
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700KF CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Max Clock Speed: 3.6Ghz
    Physical Processors: 8
    Logical Processors: 8
    
    
    Total Physical Memory: 32GB
    BANK 0: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    BANK 2: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Graphics Card: Microsoft Remote Display Adapter
    Graphics RAM: 0GB
    Driver version: 10.0.19041.423
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 32Hz)
    
    
    Graphics Card: NVIDIA Quadro P2000
    Graphics RAM: 3.9990234375GB
    Driver version: 26.21.14.3086
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 75Hz)
    
    
    DPI Scaling: 100%
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Drive Type: Local Disk (NTFS)
    Drive Model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
    after full format and clean windows install:
    Code:
    RVT 2019 - Full_Standard set - 2020.10.15 @ 00.11.13 on DESKTOP-3KAQQGO.txt
        RFO Benchmark v3.3 (build 30.07.2020)
        RevitForum.org
    
    
    All times are in seconds, lower is better.
    
    
    
    
    Run on Revit 2019.2.2
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Update
        7.30   update previous version file
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Model creation benchmark
        4.01   opening and loading the custom template
        9.75   creating the floors levels and grids
       15.30   creating a group of walls and doors
       28.10   modifying the group by adding a curtain wall
        9.38   creating the exterior curtain wall
        8.38   creating the sections
        3.03   changing the curtain wall panel type
       13.33   creating area plans
        1.77   creating and applying view template
       93.05   TOTAL
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Export benchmark
       54.31   export all views as PNGs at 300 dpi
       49.31   export all views as DWFs
       82.92   export all views as DWGs
       52.41   print all views as vector *
       72.58   print all views as raster *
    
    
    Notes:
     *  Print Views tests require the 'Microsoft XPS Document Writer' printer be installed.
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Render benchmark
       50.03   render
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    Graphics - Standard View
        4.43   activate View Styles view
        0.34   change view to Wireframe
        0.56   change view to Hidden
        0.79   change view to Shaded
        0.78   change view to Consistent Colors
        1.38   change view to Realistic
        0.61   refresh Wireframe Line view x10
        2.68   refresh Hidden Line view x10
        2.88   refresh Shaded view x10
        2.71   refresh Consistent Colors view x10
        3.02   refresh Realistic view x10
        0.37   activate View Cube view
        2.51   rotate view x1
       23.06   TOTAL
    
    
    Notes:
        Graphics benchmark measures the entire graphics stack, which includes CPU and memory.
        To meaningfully compare graphics cards, test all cards in the same machine
        and use the 'Graphics - expanded' benchmark.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    TEST CONDITIONS:
    _______________________________________________________
    Mfr:   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    Model: Z390 UD
    OS:    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 2004)
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700KF CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Max Clock Speed: 3.6Ghz
    Physical Processors: 8
    Logical Processors: 8
    
    
    Total Physical Memory: 32GB
    BANK 0: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    BANK 2: 16GB @ 3200Mhz
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Graphics Card: Microsoft Remote Display Adapter
    Graphics RAM: 0GB
    Driver version: 10.0.19041.546
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 32Hz)
    
    
    Graphics Card: NVIDIA Quadro P2000
    Graphics RAM: 3.9990234375GB
    Driver version: 27.21.14.5239
    Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 x bit @ 60Hz (max 75Hz)
    
    
    DPI Scaling: 100%
    
    
    _______________________________________________________
    Drive Type: Local Disk (NTFS)
    Drive Model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
    You do not install the drivers before you reinstall windows, you install them just after windows has finished reinstalling.
    Nice to see it worked on the i7 9700k(f), im looking forward to doing a reinstall myself somewhere in the future, and do a run with a high overclock. See what kind of scores i can get on a all core 5.1GHz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modderhoop View Post
    You do not install the drivers before you reinstall windows, you install them just after windows has finished reinstalling.
    Nice to see it worked on the i7 9700k(f), im looking forward to doing a reinstall myself somewhere in the future, and do a run with a high overclock. See what kind of scores i can get on a all core 5.1GHz.
    To be clear, when you install the driver entirely depends on what version of windows you are using. For normal windows 10, yeah, you can install it after the OS. When i had the same problem years ago, it was for a machine that was running Windows 10 inside of Hyper V Core. In that case, the driver had to be done at the command line BEFORE MS Hyper V Core was put on the machine. That was the step i had missed. Going back after the fact and doing it, didnt solve it, and we had to shred the VM's and the Hyper V Core, to start over.

    But thats an edge case, for sure.

    5.1 to 5.3 should haul some butt. Mine are in the low 80's.

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    As Revit is made to cater high resolution visuals and processes and thus it can make your PC run slow. If you really want your machine work fast with Revit then <link removed>.
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    We have just received a new i9-10900KF station. results for model creation were ~220s.
    After another clean install with full format, I’v installed the samsong NVMe driver first thing when windows launched. And still, results are around 190s-210s (Iv just posted them in the 2019 results thread). So the SSD driver isn’t a solid solution after all.

    A random win 10 install corruption doesn’t seem the right explanation. It doesn’t make statistical sense that Twiceroadsfool only dealt with this issue once, and at my firm it’s happening to the majority of the stations (new and old). Iv saved some of the journal files and contacted Autodesk support. If it leads anywhere I’ll post it here
    Last edited by bll.eliav; November 15th, 2020 at 04:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bll.eliav View Post
    We have just received a new i9-10900KF station. results for model creation were ~220s.
    After another clean install with full format, I’v installed the samsong NVMe driver first thing when windows launched. And still, results are around 190s-210s (Iv just posted them in the 2019 results thread). So the SSD driver isn’t a solid solution after all.

    A random win 10 install corruption doesn’t seem the right explanation. It doesn’t make statistical sense that Twiceroadsfool only dealt with this issue once, and at my firm it’s happening to the majority of the stations (new and old). Iv saved some of the journal files and contacted Autodesk support. If it leads anywhere I’ll post it here
    It doesn't make sense IF the problem at hand was an SSD driver, sure. For you, that appears not to be the problem.

    We have had a few clients where machines have had massive degradation after a particular windows update, but I doubt that's your cause either as it seems too consistent for that to be the cause, and it's not a widespread issue.

    But yeah: the "doubly bad" benchmarks have only happened to two machines we have, out of 15 (over the years). One was the hyper v host with the bad ssd driver, and one was just a bonked system, presumably because of something we jacked up over time, from installs. A simple reformat of windows and it's back to perfect.

    What ISO are you using for the clean windows install?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    What ISO are you using for the clean windows install?
    Varies. On the new i9-10900KF I used the clean install feature in windows 10(as Modderhoop said in post #9). It downloaded and installed a flat(=no updates after install) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 2009). On other stations at the office its our IT person... so I don’t know.
    On my dell PC at home I formatted C my self and installed win using 1909 build ISO. and couldn’t get my good performance back until I went back to a 1803 ISO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
    It doesn't make sense IF the problem at hand was an SSD driver, sure. For you, that appears not to be the problem.
    I meant that it isn’t a random rare issue(SSD or not). If so, it would have been equally rare around the globe.
    It could have been doe to some habit of the IT person who builds the devices... but then, it also happened on a dell PC at my home.
    It could have been doe to the geographical location of the computers... but then I tried benchmarking without internet connection and also changing system locale.
    Any way, my guess is that its the same issue for Modderhoop and me due to the fact that the drop is focused in very specific tests (as detailed in post #6)
    Last edited by bll.eliav; November 16th, 2020 at 07:47 AM.

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